Hooks Check-in

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• J had discussed potential next steps e.g. work on nitrates next, then acetates, then GPN, etc.
• R I know has contacted many curators and archives and she and I both have continued to work with the binders
• I wanted to make sure we were all still on the same page

september intern

bonner s ch polar

won’t know anything, train into broad categories to go over rando boxes

tag rando boxes / get them basic sorted and prepped

. You have a good weekend? That’s. I. How about here? Not. I’ glad you. Oh, my God.. Oh, yeah, I pick up kitten, Mom. She’s usually pretty busy. I mean, It’s usually just me either doing the stuff for her and just to hurt, so’s it. see. Yeah, I mean, she is recovering, but I mean, you know, she’s still can’t use her hand very well. Like, they’re talking about her eventually going an occupational therapist, be able to like drive and ride again. She has problems with her shoulders, so they’re talking about getting like an MRI to see if maybe that’s because her arm keeps swelling up to the thinking maybe there’s something that’s in the shoulder that’s causing that pressure to build up. So, like she’s definitely. And anytime she does more than like one or two things, her arms starts hurting again. So like I said, you know. she can do more, but like I said, definitely baby steps. Yeah. Yeah. And what happened?? Oh, yeah, she fell. She was hanging our favorite Mickey wreath for Christmas, which is our favorite holiday. So I mean just to really, you know. Yeah, she fell and you know, just slipped because it had been raining that day, and she had to, you know, basically pull herself to the front door, because it’s not like my dad would have heard her. Anyway. Okay. Bless I was better.. Yeah. But like I said, so then like just and she’s had, you know, you know, she fell again, like January, which hurt her ribs, and then she had pneumonia for a month.. Because she already has asthma, so, I mean, you know, stuff just compounding together. I mean, her PT people are great. I mean, you know, they’ve been fantastic. The only people in the medical professional have been fantastic, but really nice P.T loved them. They’re great. is really great. You know, I haven’t PTot. Yeah, they’ve been really nice and really made up for how everybody else has been sort of me. You know.. It’s portho South, and they have a bunch of different locations off the top of my head. I can’t remember what the specific location is for this one. It’d be we’re out in East Memphis, so it would be, you know, near there. Block said, I can’t remember the name of it off the top of my head. But yeah, like I said, so, it’s just like her arm is better in the sense that she no longer can’t move it at all, but likes at it dis swell up a lot, they’re wondering at their shoulder problems, et cetera. So, yeah. Just kind of slow progress.. Yeah. Yes, yeah, it’s a lot of time too. I’m sorry. Mm. Yeah, me and she’s talking about how it almost eight months and she drove anywhere, you know, I mean, you know, like. Yeah, she gets rides or, you know, we’ve done, like we did Uber in London, of course. Like when you get some, but you know, like, it just kind of. Yeah, wow. That’s a lot. How did you enjoy London, though? We did both like it in terms of like places to go and like Native Londoners were nice. The hotel wasn’t great, but that’s definitely a cultural difference, like, because there was a bunch of problems and they were very blas about it. And that just kind of.. Yeah, this is just like, that tended to be more what was like said, and she didn’t know about it being cashless, and so she had a lot of like pounds and stuff that had a hard time, you know, like like whenever we, because like she loved a Victorian Albert Museum, she loved Windsor Castle. So when we were like going places, like, this is super cool, it was more just kind of those in between bits that were particularly. she’s almost 71. She’ll be 71 in about a couple months. So, you know, for an older lady who’s already had a rough time, those parts were stressful. But I mean, like, when we were actually at like, Windsor Castle, she adored, that’s where she wanted to go when it was, you know, gorgeous and like, you know, loved to something of the museums and stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. So at least she had a little bit of a b from, you know, her post challenges Hello. I like your dress.s cute. Oh. He keeps working. every day. He keeps working on the dress? Yeah, for years.. It’s like, I looked presentable. And I can stay cool. Ooh, yeah, this is I know. on, you guys. Hi, we waiting in the p? Okay, that’s cool. How should we come? It was good. I was just telling it was rustful. Yay! I went to the smoke slam with Allie on Friday, and so that was nice to kind of get off the weekend.becue. Mm hmm. Just here, the last of the weekend. Have you ever been to barbecue Fest, the Memphis in May one? You know, I used to go when I was a child. Okay.. I was wondering what the difference is. I finally went to Memphis and Maye barbecue Fest when it was in. I think it was like 2022 or something. It was at the Fairgrounds. Oh, okay.. Instead of down on the river. And I thought it was fine, and it certainly was like a lot better in terms of people like being able to load in all of their crap and park and all this other stuff. But the thing I was wondering about Smoke Slam is if it’s if it had that same quality, that barbecue Fest had had, which was, unless you know somebody, you don’t go and hang out at the.. Yeah, it was the same. kiosk and eat. Yeah. Okay. It was the same. All right. So it was probably just one of those things where it’s like, there’s probably a city code for food surface or whatever and that can be. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, we got lucky because we were working with arts in the, artsmen, artsmen, doing like a t-shirt judging contest. So we saw Katie’s husband Marshall, so Yeah, that’s dry rub. Yeah, Marshall.. That’s. It looks great. Yeah. Yeah, that’s pretty much it when I work some long walks, that’s what, how does everything? You’re always my sister in law’s 60th birthday, and so the entire weekend was taken up with going to either Es or Germantown and hanging out with my. partner, Brian’s family, and his mother really resents me right now. She used to love me. Oh, no. Now he resents me because. Well. Brian brought home a stray. Oh, the dog, right. That’s great. And then he realized his life would actually be materially altered by having a puppy and I didn’t want a puppy. I. So I volunteered to take it to the Humane Society. Right, right. They wouldn’t take her. Oh, no. Because she didn’t have her second set of shots yet. So that’s not until June 2nd. In the meantime, his father decided he wants the puppy. Oh, that’s great. So, but his mother is not happy, just so she thinks this is all my fault that I’ve talked to Brian into not having this puppy, and I’m not going to tell her any different because she needs to love her son and I think her son is a selfish bastard. who just wants to be able to go running and go to the studio and not have to do it. So, yeah. I mean, maybe some things are buying. That’s are cute. Well, yeah. And because Kristen sent me a picture or sent me a picture of the doll. It’s not a lab, apparently. Really? Yes, Brian’s aunt came into town as well for this. She’s an AKC judge and Kennennel Club for, like, the last 50 years. They just put her in the Hall of Fame. She’s. This is part Jockson. It’s not a lab. There’s maybe some terrier in there. She’s too low and long. But her feet aren’t bowed out, so she’s not a bassin. Okay. It’s like a Okay. Yeah, she has to go to Orlando this December and judge all of the sporting dogs. Her specialty is German Church her pointer. Okay. But she has to go and judge like there’s seven or whatever, Derent sporting dogs, and you have to judge them based on asinine things, I guess. Like, if you’re a golden retriever, your eyes have to be a certain shape. Oh, God. It’s not even like, how cool is the dog, how good is the dog a tricks or whatever? It’s not like that. It’s basically. What is the essence of German children pointer? Is it they have to be a certain number of inches tall, but not too tall and not too short. and I mean, there’s a whole thing, and I’m like, that’s That’s crazy. just the wrong two and not enough or two round and if they’re they’re tail is like X number centimeters longer than it needs to be, then. So there’s this whole thing. And then there’s the, you know, like kind of squishy bit of it, which is sort of like. people have their favorites. Even if you’re a judge. So there might be a thing where like, there’s no perfect whatever. And then there’s all sorts of like, well, I like dogs that are more golden and less pale or whatever, then it does.. That’s weird. Yeah. lucky she will make it to Westminster. After this thing, which is a big deal in Orlando, they might actually get her. Does she ever do the, what is it the annual, like judging this happens like after that Macy thing. I don’t know how. There’s one, there’s isn’t involved in the Macy’s. It’s not. It’s not. Oh, I know timing, usually. Okay, so that is there’s probably something, it’s like an AKC thing. Probably. She has gone too many, many, many of these things. So this is why she is now in the AKC Hall of Fame. I tell. Okay. Yeah. Is’t that wild? Yeah, I mean, that’s strange. Yeah. But anyway, so not a black. It’s terrier and. Like 12 other things. What are those things? Dachund. Thank you. Yeah. Is this your new dog? Yeah, it’s it’s my in law’s new dog. Oh, it is. Yeah, my in law isly. Okay. Because I made Brian give up the dog.. It wasn’t that Brian realized Brian didn’t get to go to the studio or run nowadays. It’s I talk to me. I’m like, “That’s fine. She’s your mother. now. So go ahead. It’s all my fault. Oh, well. We’ talking about my weekend. Okay, yeah.. I think she. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, yeah. All right, we meeting. Yeah, so I wanted to bring us together because Lauren and I had a chat last week about, just as things, you know, pertaining to the collection. Just wanted to make sure that we’re all in the same page, just kind of where things are. we’re thinking about going. So I know the last time we met with exhibitions, this was like several months ago, maybe last year, even we talked about prioritizing the Black Binders in terms of, you know, selecting objects from the exhibition and selecting objects for cate. So that is still the priority from my understanding, Lauren and I touched base about that last week, so still on the same page. We have 37 binders that we’re coming through, that I’m calling through. And so I have been I told Lauren this. So what I had decided, this was several months ago, is to put posted notes on each of the sleeved objects in the binders and write exhibition, you know, exhibition selects on them. And so, you know, after I do that, I usually inventory and like lightly catalogue the reminderinder in a document. And then I hand it off to Lauren so that she can digitize the binder. So recently, I told Lauren, because we were noticing like how, you know, long the process was taking with digitizing efforts. So recently, you know, we discussed just prioritizing the objects that I’ve selected for the exhibition to be digitized. Yes. And then she could return to the holebinder after those objects had beenized. So you. And I know you were talking to me last week about kind of next steps, like, focusing on nitrates, focusing on acetates, focusing on glass point negatives. And I wasn’t sure if that was after the binders or, like, I just, I want to make sure everyone’s talking about the same thing in the same or. So my feeling about this is we’ve got sort of two things going on. There’s one that’s your workflow. So for my thing was basically exhibition first. Make sure that that’s taking. Sure. I will be interested to hear your feedback on the other bits and pieces. Now that we have people like potentially George Jason in the house, willing to take my trade stock or what UFM can and cannot do in terms of preserving storing other things for us. And I talk about that because of the name languages the Newob. So when we think about what is our priority after we mention the exhibition is taken care of, I think that we have a lot of different levers to pull. And so my one of my things I’m thinking about is in the new building, we have limited space. We don’t just have some land on thing like this that we can store all of the stuff in. So I’ve heard your thing about. I don’t remember the other people, there’s some other people who can get to. Chicago. But it Chicago being Works, which is now in Massachusetts.. They’re in Chicago. Yeah? Big moved? Yes. Really? Yeah, we went a long time. They just still called so Chicago. Okay. was anywhere. Okay. Isn’t that weird? Well, I looked on their website to say it would be like, what do you do? Yeah. So there are people who can like take the big chunks. I don’t. And that of course will be like a cross, and can we go towards more? And if we was fundraising for that, can we fund, you know, what are we competing with? So that’s where I need to sit down with Kelly and Christy, and get updates on things like the Black Gospel window. did that Grant come through. because if not, we need to bring this thing down, ship it down here, get the guys from the USR to rig it, get them out for it, do all the bits and pieces. That may be a competitor for a grant to do the scanning. So this is where there’s a lot of levers. So one thing I’m thinking about is if we were to get all of the nitrate done, we could get it out of here before we have to move it again, because here’s what we’re starting to learn. Now it’s local, maybe nobody no pieces. But you’re supposed to have a hazmat transportation license to move nitro. Oh, no. So I’d rather move it once to the George Haseman house if they’re willing to take it. I don’t know how many nitrate negatives there are, how long it will take, but sending nitrates somewhere else besides the Georg Han house or potentially, for instance, the hearing Rans, which has a bunker outside of the town. I don’t know if it is, so that’s one thought I’m having, is nitrate seems like a good candidate for getting it out of our possession and therefore getting it scanned sooner later, I don’t know the complexities of difficulties that these are. Do I also some questions with the exhibition, how close do you do you think you are with scanning the exhition? It’s just a really broad brush rate of tiny. Based on what she was talking about with how far you’ve gotten in the binders, I’d say, what, a third, basically? approximately. And we’re trying to get faster at that. I heard you very speedy.. We’ll hopefully hoping also to get speedlex said, because we have shit to focusing just on digitizing. This week I have been I had a backlog of uploading for Rose to look at to make it even faster for her to go through it. What’s for the I am currently uploading those images and then go back to scanning the next binder. Yeah, like, So you’re just you’re basically working as soon as she gives you a thing. She gives me something. I. And then you go and kind of do the rest of the bind and while you’re waiting for the next group for the rest of them. Yeah. All right. So I love anything that you guys were talking about that might speed up the exhibition process so that Martin can do his thing. But it’s not like, oh my God, he’s not going to but you’re going to want things you’re like, you know what? This should be in a giant blowout this show. So would be I think the most helpful. Yeah, that’s the other thing I’ll consider because excuse me, even some of the color photographs in the collection, right, some of the prints, like, I can’t access those negatives because they’re in the larger collection. Some of some of the color prints, the negatives are not in the biners, right? The negatives, the negatives are’t the larger collection. So for me, it holds up the process because I can’t, I’m just going to be honest. I’m not going to sit down and go through every box and look for the color negative of the print that I’m, you know, the print that I see available in one of the boxes. I’m not even going to ask the one to do that because that’s going to take up a lot of time, right? So, and even to have, you know, to pull your team, you know, the rest of your team into this project is just not even going to work because we have their own projects and tasks that are priority. So I understand. So for me, it just makes the most sense to just have it digitize, whether it’s.ate internegative, or what we used to think it was an internegative and now it’s just a digital.. But I think in terms of, and so I say that to say, you know, having a broader collection digitize is really important, because, and to your point about the mit trade, because we don’t know how much nitrate film is actually in the rest of the collection, right? Like, we know. No, I think we have it all. I don’t think we do. And I say that because not all of us were able to identify the nitrate film, based on the notches that are on each negative, right? So I think with that, like, it’s my sort of thought process is to have a professional, someone who’s an expert in being able to identify nitrate film and acetate film, right, all the various types of acetated nitrate film that exists, right? In fatality, so they could be able to identify that very quickly, have that digitalized, and then we can figure out, okay, is it going to go to the Eastmen’s off site, Kodak building where they’reoring all of nitrate film, or is it going to go to ICPs, you know, stores facility in Jersey City, you, or is it going to go the wayanson Center? So this kind of, when we think, again, timing wise and money wise, the question then still flips back to where are we going to get the money to get somebody to be able to finish identifying something and that becomes another problem. I mean, we’re sort of out of people unless we get an intern or somebody who’s. you know. I don’t know what, very hardy wants to work for a little student, like, maybe it’s what’s, you know, And the problem here, of course, is that it’s always tricky, because most internships now that are paid, they want you to give the intern a super beneficial. I mean, it’s almost like it’s more work for us to give somebody. But if you had like, if you could get someone to fund an intern at like $25 an hour, which is what they do,. And that person just really wants to go through things. That’s one thing, but finding an expert and paying for the expert is both time and money, you know, it’s it’s the duration of the project in order to get things resolved. So I was I’m confused that I didn’t I realized that we still had nitrates stock that wasn’t. We don’t know is the thing, because there were so many that were unidentified when triaging everyone did their best to identify. And I mean, we may have gotten them all as the thing. There’s also the chance that we did miss them because if they’re completely, like if there’s no marking, if there’s no degradation that you could identify, there wouldn’t be a way to literally eyeball it and say, it’s not nitrate.” to check in with and he’s back to see if I’ve I have a dim memory of them saying, “Hey, we have, there are things where’ like,” we don’t know.” And most of this, yeah, in fairness, yeah, they did put a lot of the unidentified, like, don’t know what end the freezer., the freezer. I don’t. Oh well, no, that for sure., oh, we’ not sure they actually took unknowns and stuck them in that’s their own box, I think. And Marvel sealed them and put them in the freezer. So that part is less critical for me, it’s like what thing do we do once you get your exhibition in order and it’s starting to scare and everything? So I think for color, if you, you know if your timing is such that you can’t find a negative, let’s make a whatever an inter negative is now. I’m just going to use the old fashioned. Okay. Let’s make a digital file. If it comes out color, like reasonable color and saturation, and it’s not too faded or a color shifted or whatever, then that’s fine with me. I don’t. That’s a look and feel question, that’s up to you guys. I already judge it until you do it, I think. Yeah.. You can’t really judge it until you do it. Like, if it comes out, great, great if it’t, you’re like, well, can’t use that.. And I think there’s enough stuff. I mean, I don’t want to tell you how to do your job, but I feel like there’ll be enough material that if this one thing isn’t available, the entire theis won’t fall apart. So or you may say, you know what, this will be great because we’re going to put it up a gray scale and throw it on the wall in this huge piece of vinyl or something.. It’s, you know, whatever it is.. I think there’ll workarounds. Can I just check? We’ve just, I just want to make sure that I know I have a good on something of what everyone’s different priorities are. So your priority is anything that’s in the freezer leaves. Well, no, that’s no, actually, that’s one idea. That would be a good priority. The second idea, as I have, in terms of getting things out, is going through all of the rest of the boxes that are acetate and so they’re stinking. and saying, let’s see how many of these things we can get in this again, we got to find someone true funded.. Let’s see how many of these things we can determine should be sent to Chicago or LBM works or whatever, and the way we figure that out is we go into a box and this is where you come in, and you’re like, “All right, not piece by piece.” Yeah. Um, all right, this like every fifth one. this looks this looks worthwhile. I mean, the thing is, you’re keeping with this is that Rosal has a book to make.. So, obviously we have to I have to prioritize the exhibition. Yes. So that’s my priority in making sure that Bruce gets to the other end in one piece. and obviously this sort of scanning and identifying is one whole section, but the book and the writing up at the point when we’re also moving into the new museum is going to be a time crunch. So it’s. Yeah, but we have several, several months right now. We have like a year while we’re doing like all we’s doing all the other services. the other curators through all of their shows. So it’s like, Carg. like we’re not gonna be ready to, these catalog for Yeah, but I’m actually. I have to actually write in my essay this month. That’s great. So And also too, with that, it’s like, I have to write two photographs. Right. So you have to see. And so I have, I have to see the photographs. And I’t and I don’t even have a complete checklist. And that’s what I couldn’t show Martin. So it was just given him an idea of what to expect, right, so that we could talk through, logistics. But nothing thing that is finalized right now. So it’s very hard to move through this process. Right. I believe that’s a realistically, there is when with the exhibition and the book, there’s not going to be like, a huge amount of time for Rose to be going through like, I mean, obviously there will be some. And sometimes you’ll want to break from the book. And so coming down and like doing the thing is going to make a really big difference. But so I guess my question is, like, from your perspective, what would be a disaster if we didn’t do it before we move? There aren’t any disasters. No disasters. But in a dream an ideal world, you would like, I’m not even sure I have an ideal right now, other than making sure that the book and the exhibition of Don, but I hear you’re saying that, you know, these things have to come from the original sources. You have to be able to go through and see what things you want, you things you don’t want. And some of these things will from your essay, and some of them were inform. And we should actually sit down and have a meeting about how the catalog seg would be want. We’ve got a plan for it, so that’s. Good. Yeah, okay. Do you have a book map or anything? Yeah, basically generalally. Great. Okay. So let’‘s do That’s it? It’s the same principles. Cool. Other other. Contributors? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Probably, Ernestine. Yeah. And. anybody else? Yeah, I’m looking at the other one. Okay.. Okay, so your tip it’s really your typical Huler trim size U plus two authors. Yeah. Keep it. Yeah, I know it’s great. and good. Okay, Simple and. Most of our things are simple and beautiful. And they sell out, so this is good. Okay.. Incl in terms of just basic like sorting through, like, for example, what could be sent off or if it was trying to find something that’s buried somewhere, would it be at all possible to use lard beam for that? Or. Yes. Just as a thought. I need to find out if I can just hire because things. Lauren Bean sits in my office two days a week. Oh, yes. And goes through all of the qu. I. Who else name else? Because everyone just calls her. This being, she has she’s been updating the card catalog which had huge amounts of important information. They never got transferred over to. So she is working through that while she’s, you know, and so that will eventually come to a halt after which yes, she could start doing that if she wants to, and I can somehow find the money. So, um. Like it was just a thaw. No, it’s okay it’s a good thought because she also she knows her way around looking at that stuff. But Would you let me ask you We really just need We need an art somebody doing an archival function somebody who knows what they’re looking for and knows what these types of things are. and is saying, what is important? And that’s the thing Lauren Bean can’t do, she can help, and that’s why one of the reasons I originally hired her just two days a week was, you can come in and stuff envelopes. You know, you can reh, but she doesn’t know what’s important, so that’s where I was looking to use to say, what has meaning? And what has no meaning? Where I’ve seen this guy. This is the same guy who shows up every year to get his class picture done, and he’s nobody. She can’t do that for us, and that’s where I’m stymied about whittling down or determining, what is super important to get scent. Like, I can move those freezers down to quarantine, and then in the building. So that’s one reason where I’s like, well, I wouldn’t like to move them. twice, could do it? I think there’s take the pressure off would be. Yeah, I was wondering if nothing was kind of like a broad category. Like if she found a box and it was like 80% school photos and then 20% miscellaneous, she could at least say, okay, this is here’s the 20%, maybe that Rose and I could look over and then set aside the 80% school photos and then like like a couple of training with these are the things are. just to say, you know, when you know, I’m looking for this kind of thing, because nobody actually can have other than we all know, kind of like the school photos or my. Okay, unless we happen to run across the school photo that has somebody important it, you know, but how do we know? But that’s generally less poo. So I can move her over to doing some of that with you if that can get some of this. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but for me, it’s, yeah, without the person who knows what they’re looking at, the whole thing falls apart. The second thing is, it would be good to get the volume of things out of here or the hazmat things of this out of here. And once they are off site, if they are off site, for instance, at UFM and they want to take, like, cellulus acetate negatives or whatever, I would say that’s fine., but that means that your job is over at Uail, so that’s a complexity. That’s why I’m asking the question, where is you know, what are the bodies of things? Once we get done with the exhibition part? Yeah, yeah, we need that we should focus on next. I think one thing. Yeah, really quick. I just keep going back. So yeah, the exhibition and catalog is going for me right now. After that is done, I mean, I just think, you know, digitalize the nitrates, it just hide the acates and get those moved to some sort of all site location as soon as possible, so I don’t know if that’s going to be locally. I don’t know if that’s going to be, you know, somewhere else within the nation, you know what I mean? And so we just have to determine that. I think it’s also very critical to have a total number of how many objects are actually in this collection, right? Someone wrote that in the inventory description back in the 90s that we need to actually know because they even said it’s somewhere between 60 and 75,000, they didn’t actually have a number, right? So we need to have a number of how many objects are actually in this collection. Now, when I was talking with the Chief curator and assistant photo curator at the Med Museum, they working with the m museum type, right? Yeah, yeah. And it’s about the same amount of photos, you know, right? And this H Brothers collection as is in the Bandry collection, they’re working with K human words, I think, I to you, right? They were funded on me, and they told Melon, hey, this is how many objects we’re working with. Now, for us, we were under the impression that it was $5,000 objects right now. I don’t know if there’s been a conversation. There has been with Zodi and some folks to let them know that this collection is much larger than we anticipated, just to see if they would be willing to give us additional funding so that we can make the preservation plan that we have in mind to do, right? So that those are just sort of initial thoughts. Yeah. Or if you want to just say something? Oh, not what Rose had kind of covered some of what I’ thinking about. So I’m good. Thank you.. What are your main kind of concerts or things that you’d like to see? Um. Bain? I guess, um. I’m trying to get my thoughts together as I put on his spot. I’m Sorry. No, no, no, no. Just No, everyone. No, no, no. I mean, my priority is always just like focusing on the digitizing. Like I try to be faster, getting to stuff for the exhibit and catalog. Because we don’t know so much about the collection, I do feel like there’s always the question of when we’re talking about, focus on this, get this organized. It’s like, we know there’s so much we don’t know. I, for every box, even every binder that hasn’t been gotten to yet. So any time we are proposing, let’s do this, I’m wondering, do we know enough about that part of the collection to do what we’re proposing is always what I’m concerned about because it is such a hodgepodge. I mean, you open up a box and there’s 12 smaller boxes inside. Sometimes there’s a stack of deteriorating acids. I mean, not as many as are used to, because a lot of those had to be disposable. But I mean, you know, there’s still a lot that are like that. The binders are print, color negative, slides, photocopy, like paper photocopies, you know, Glasslake negatives, assate negatives, the nitrator, over the freezer. My concern is always just any time we’re planning something we know so little about every single part of the collection. So yes, I will say. The glass plate negatives that are in glass plate negative boxes, that to me is I’ our lowest priority. Yeah, I agree. Because they can be stored anywhere in the new building in art storage and not off gas and they’re fragile and they’re already rehoused and all of their bits. So it’s those, as you say, it’s the weirdo box. It’s the one where it’s like the whatever’s left box. Sorry, I didn’t mean to go crazy. I just like, I put those boxes or why. next set of things to look at is the Rall boxes. Maybe that’s it. I mean, I’m not going to solve it today, but my initial thought was the last things that I feel that we need to address, just in terms of when we go to the new building, the logistics of where the hell are we going to put these things? Are the glass put negatives? They’re already in their glass plate negative boxes and we can carefully bring those down and put them on a shelf in the art storage room and they won’t off gas, and they won’t do anything hideous, and there’s plenty of room for them, and they’re done. After that, there’s the celos acetate stuff. Well, actually, no, I think the nitrate stock is less hideous because at least it’s in the freezer. and we can take the three freezers and we can plug them in to the quarantine room, and we’re done.. It’s the acetate, probably. So I think maybe the random boxes, as you say, where it’s like, we need to even know what’s in this. And I don’t know how many of these there are. There’s a lot. I mean, we don’t have an exact, I mean, we can estimate, because any kind of the shoe boxes, quote unquote, are at least better organized, like but like so there’s so many of the banker boxes that are just, sometimes they have stacks of print. Sometimes they have 12 of those yellow cododak boxes inside. So and we don’t know all of them. I think maybe getting through those, where we have this all this room here, this the new building? Less so. Not so much? How to get them and faster. Getting through them intellectually, knowing what they are, like real brush, like negatives, like.. These are These are negatives.. They’re not actually going mean go through each thing. You just mean like category. No, I mean, like, take these things apart and put their component parts in some sort of correct reorganization physically. Mike would like. Yeah, yeah. So it’s like, these all look like negatives from the ‘50s. Oh, here’s one that’s clearly a negative from the ’70s. It’s a strict negative and it’s color or whatever. And that goes in a different box. And so we get rid of all the little black boxes that are impregnated with cellularos acetate stainetic acid. And we get them into new boxes. That might be a good place where Lauren can help, where you just, you know what you’re looking for. You’re giving them out. You’re sort of showing Lauren the other Lauren. what things are, you know, okay, here’s something she can learn. It’s this and this and this and this. Maybe there is a thing that’s with these intern things sometimes what’s this? We could get a bonus called a. Okay. There you go. I needed a higher quality person’ they get what I normally get when I get the interns through arts and intern. They’re from. I can get them from Victor. Yes Yes. And I had The longest I had one for was two years and that was actually really helpful fun to Yeah, she was pregnant. She was really good and it does take a long time to train them because they don’t know anything. So but they are at least paid and they’re usually the top of their class at roades. So they’re like smart kids who want to do something. Yeah,. So we could try and get one of those, I guess the next intake though would be September because of the time of year and would go to the academic year. That might be a good timing for what you guys need to do in terms of getting Yeah, because we are focused on the binders, right? that? Would you Yeah, we can do that. And then you two can come up with a plan of like what you exactly what you would want this person to do marry in mind they’ll not have any training. So you’d have to do that kind of training and just break stuff into really like broad, like simple tasks. Yeah. And then usually they we had to bottom of like two days a week or something like that for two years. I don’t. The question is a hon, wasn’t you? Back way back in the day, like…. Yeah.. So, yeah, I I don’t have says to people who won’t be more work for invest and then will be happy. Okay. Are the Lord name. So, I do desperately need Lauren to continue working as well on the updating TMS, because otherwise, I have to move that part catalog piece of furniturease. Yes, and then we we need from who can have a dedicated focus of the hugs. Maybe that is you a bon collar that you two have to look after them. Yeah, because I do have time to look at. No, no, that’s fine. So I wonder, too, with that, are we do we soly want to focus on getting someone who’s local versus, because I could call a friend, who is a scholar? Anybody who we’t. And that’s what we would have to pay to have them somewhere in some capacity. There’s no original. Back in the day before COVID funding ended, even, I don’t. Yeah, a tricky spot, actually at the moment. So yeah, we’re going to have to find ways to get people paid from our outside this building. But we can get the bolar, you can look after them. We can see if we can find one, that we can have for two years. I think we’d be more useful than one. Yes, I think I think. Because they disappear, you to start the labor two years is great. I agree. And then it just, sorry to get back to timeline, and I know you can’t tell me a time and I promise I’ wait, hold you to the time. but the in terms of like going through the binders for the exhition roughly when do you think you finish that? I’m following behind you on scanning the exition of what are you thinking? I mean, for me, it’s nothing to go through a binder and, like, tab the lead objects like, I do that, you, cons. I think for me, it’s just more so the concern of how cool can we have in digitized and uploaded? That’s not a problem. Yeah. Alexa said, it is getting faster, focusing on just the exhibit, and then circling back around to what isn’t for the exhibit., like, are we talking and of July September I think it’s more so like maybe end of August in August. would be I would be more comfortable with that just to make sure that there’s no hiccups that slow us down or anything. Because what I want to do is put together a check them so that I can send to Martin right? So the sooner that we can that I can do that, I’d be. And you with more accomplished. Yeah, you’d chance to finish your Correct. Is Ernestine currently working on hers? No, I’m. Have you married her yet? I’m not to. Okay, so let’s get I’ll deal with it, and then I’ll send you a contract with the paper. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. In most it’s in Aces contract. It makes things so much easier. So, all right, so after exhibition essay let’s think about and come back if you’re like, yeah, we thought about this and doesn’t work or whatever. But let’s think about the big jumble Bes. Let’s get the jumlesale boxes figure out where they all are, get them tagged or something, and then get you know, War Bean can start helping, but let’s get him maybe just prepped up for the Bonner scholar and Lauren to look at it at the same time and see if there is see if I can get some more money for Lauren for more days, which she that she was that. So.. And think she make me a plan for what you want to bomb scholars do that will help me to get you together. That’ll be great. So I think I’ interested to you the email. You probably haven’t read it yet, but I’m gonna go to the Met to look at their preservation plan and process, look at the Vander E archive while in Pennsylvania, New York to see that, and then I can have a better understanding of what they’re doing and how we can sort of work in a similar lipflow and then that’ be helpful for Bonos… So do you want to get me, like a list of rough plan? I doesn’t have to be perfect or like because it’s going to be an informal chat with Victor, but just like something that the work, I can go on and yeah, like the next two three weeks. and how the two of you are going to manage the person together so that they’re not ever lost I like, I don’t know where. I do think I’d have an easier time if I had questions because I’m right there next to the collection, where they doing a lot of work. Just saying off the top of my head. Also, it’s a little easier to have someone if they need to raise their set up in here, like they could just go back. I do think that would be one thing. Yeah… So do you want to, Lauren, do you want to begin working on the additional items that Jennifer mentioned, like maybe in June? Like starting to kind of go through those and get a plan together and go through those. That could up. I could try that, yeah. And I can give you Evan who is your person who needed to sort of look at something and say, all right, we have this is what we have, and he can get the boxes new boxes open up and things like that. there. That sounds good. Howing with the with the civil Rights Museum stuff that we’re going to send that you like a different post system for the. Okay, like, I’m here now. Okay. Like, I’m going through one binder and I said, okay, this will be good for civil rights, but I haven’t’t gone through. I don’t think I even need that many things. I think if you just gave them like 25 to 30 things Okay. I think it’s a smaller space anyway. focuses on. Do you know which space they have? Well, of course they have that new space now. Yeah. they’re going to help it out. They had that one space and it was almost like an event space, a small, like realistic space. I wouldn’t so that it’s going to go in. I would still that it’s going to go in the new space as across the street. Okay. But I haven’t to stayed with that place look like or you know, sort of gotten into the dimensions of that place. It be people go in here to a look. They might want to him get him excited or something. send him in the New York Times article put both the Styles out.. Yeah, and if it find a coffee upstairs and then shown down here again excited. There must to be of some help and know some other people who could come in and help do stuff. I mean, if you ask me for help., alone in there..’s the only person at this point. Which? Ryan Jones. Oh, Ryan Jones, yeah. Yeah. They pay already, they pay all. I don’t think have town, considering they have, like, all the much higher revenue. Well, they seem to be well, first of all, they’ve got a capital project, but second of all, they seem to have their focus, because I went through with Tiffany, I can’t remember how I was saying. Yeah, that. If the person who’s she’s my counterpart of the service building. So she needs to be good. Yeah, she is. Yeah, my God.. So Tiffany and Dan took me around the space when they were, you, still putting up walls and things like that. And it’s not a huge space, and the rooms are big. But what I got the over one sense from them is that they are focused on civil rights moving forward. and equity moving forward and less historical things. So that’s been sort of part of push as well when we’re like trying to get them to sign contract for instance, and they finally did. But saying, yes, we want to be a part of this project. It was like, oh my God, this looks like a lot of work. And we don’t want to have to store it. We don’t want to have to work on it. We don’t want it. So I’m thinking that they would love to see a very good exhibition that they can do that rallies people, you know. But they’re totally understaffed for that kind of total liberation, you in that space, we’ basically doing is like looking at different movements and how people have like, because they’reely gathered right. I think the challenge is this collection doesn’t really intel for the rates. Yeah. It doesn’t. I mean, it’s like, you know, there are political leaders in Mem who were in photograph out of those Brothers in the board kind of leading up And there. Right. Ben H, of course, but you don’t really see like you don’t see protests, right? Like, in this se collection from the binders that I was going to do so on.. Or you could leave lean into the kind of joy side of this because like when everything is grinding you down, you you need to have something to hang on to. then that’s the moments of life and holding around your first baby in all this thing. But it would be worth having a chat with Brian to see like, because we don’t want you to go through like tabbing a load of things and then just like oh actually that’s what I want so better to chat. even if he’s he may be I don’t he may be running up against, you know, the desire to be like, well, we’re also talking about me andmar and we’re also talking about their their awards that everything is so much broader now. that you can also, if you wanted to face it towards separation, that’s like one direction, you, like recycle what we’re doing because all of this all of our gallery concepts are the museum’s intellectual property. Like it’s paradysis it’s not mine. Like it’s enorm’ museum. So we have, and also liberation has like collectively been made by about four of us at this point. So we don’t know who. So if you wanted to like take it like it’s it’s yours, take it and we maybe there’s something, you know, just thinking about what happened with Clayborn Temple, like Clayborne is represented in Selection. And so some of the other like. Oh, that’s that could be that could be a. And you know what? They would also, I think, the Museum would totally jump on that.. So, yeah, so I’ll do that. I’ bring. It’ an ass to see you. We’ll say. It would be., I think. Yeah. They’re not mini. I don’t. Well, you can’t also say the same… But yeah, I think that be great. That’s a great idea. I’ll bring Ryan in.. All right. Hi. So, do we feel feel like a album? I think so. I’m going to check in with Christy and Chi and figure out what the state is over the Mari and sundry grants, and then. I did send Shelly another grant that she could apply for for the hooks collection. I couldn’t bring me back there just as a reminder. I’ investing her back a couple of months there. Yeah. And then. our next step after all of the stuff from theition and family, basically the jungle boxes. Okay. And that will, I probably handle a lot of some of my concerns, which is that we don’t know what we’re putting into what storage we might be like gas. So I think that would be a very good story. But I do think we need to break them out not just by you know. It should be like, these of the 30s and their negatives, or in the 30s and 40s or something, and these are the 50s and 60s. We can’t just because the one thing we know from Z is that we can’t have we don’t have all the money in the world. to send every picture of this guy to be digitized. The money doesn’t not exist, and it the people. So the solution. We will never simply be, we take the whole thing, we ship it out. Somebody else does all the work. They send us things in and go, “Oh, okay. Not this, not business, not this, because the cost to have done that word in the first place will be true high for us to actually. So we’ll need to determine which things need to be scanned and then send things in them, and it does not necessarily have to be a single item by single item, enough to say, like, you know what, this is 80% good. I’m willing to whiff the 20% that might not be good and send it out. Gotcha. So are you like maybe give it any chs? Like, you know Whenever we can actually get a fund. Right. And so what I want to have into is just send an email, like forth see Chicago, the email works to get a quote. Yeah, that’s great. You know how much I call. Just so we know. Yeah, we’ll need that profound raising hand anyway. Yeah, we know. So that’s where, to my mind, it’s sometimes it’s cheaper in even with the 20% of self even before. Right. But you don’t want to des send down things that are the whole thing is Mrs. Jones’s fifth grade class over the entire. Yeah, but that’s not class. And I mean, and I think even to that point, like, that’s not the case in this collection. There areable kids, right? Yeah. But also, we’re talking about, you know, Brothers were using sort of antiquated technology at this point, where they couldn’ couldn’t afford to make a bunch of peopleits. Right versus where we are today with the advancement ofography. You know what I mean? So for me, and even just considering what the met is doing, like, they’re working with them, they have a lot of duplicates in their collection based on what the two period, there are so many so then they just entrust the Chicago human work toize it all, you know, and And it would be nice to be.. kept waiting with me to their head of registration, I might have said yes, but then that would have made me want to kill myself. Yeah, but it’s not just that they are the. They are also funded unkn one. So, you know, we’re in a similar picgament is my point. And so I’m also going all the way you said that the port, you know, and being able to have something. was that she had not things now. It was cheaper just to learn because they were so fast because they had this warehouse they just. Well, let’s let’ We can see. Yeah. We can just get the road and see. Ask from what that would take we still need to, and not the glass plates. Yeah. Yeah, they’ve already said they can’t do glass plates. They’ll have to do that. It’s too scary. Yeah. And then the other things are basically Yeah, I think we would need to have enough knowledge of what, you know, a cost would be what we were doing. Right now, Zia is against doing the wholesale digitization of everything without checking because she’s sensor cost. So we need to see what is actually in the thing, because a melan can absolutely probably fund this, and that’s, I’d say it’s a million dollars, and we could really abuse that for.. Yeah. Basically, I mean, the amount funds a lot of stuff. Right, but here’s the thing. So we can use them for because we can make a good case, because number one, we need to know the number of objects that are in this collection. Number two, I mean, you know, it’s important to know the condition of the collection, right? The condition of all of the objects in the collection is we can’t actually assess that because we don’t have the expertise to do that, right? And then we also need to have it digitize according to logic outlines, which is something that comes from a much larger set of structure or system in terms of digitization efforts. Oh, I agree with you. If we have If we had a donor who only could and wanted to fund something like this, I think that that would be like a slam dunk. However, the Hks Brothers is very important Also, there are other things having to do with programming in the new building other exhibitions in the new building, other things that are competing with somebody like a be that I don’t it’s about my favorite to say what that was. So I just want us to keep a sense of my scale when it comes to the solution is we pack it all up, we send it out, somebody else does it, and figures out, we still have to go through thing after thing thing after thing that we. to see if something is important to catalog it to do all these you, what is the meaning? What are you saying it gets to the cataloging if it’s not it’s digitized and again, to me, it’s like, well, not to say that we can’t get to the cataloging, but it’s going to take, as I said in the article, it’s like, it’s going to take 30 years. It’s going to take an extended amount of time. If it’s just me, Lauren, and we’re hiring a couple of interns, you know, you know, I don’t know, every other year, because this is an extensive collection. I mean, the Smithsonian, when I spoke with the collection manager, this oversee at the Sklock collection, this guy told me that they’ve been working on this collection since I told before I’m 30. Yeah, yeah. No, it’s not. You know what I mean? And so that’s 31 years of of trying to deserve a collection. Right. And so I don’t want us to be an affid. I don’t want to be an epid. I cannot dedicate 30 years of my life on theos. I have so many other things that I want to do. I love this collection. I love what the Brothers have done for Memphis and this legacy and I know that insure that it has the proper impact through exhibition and this catalog. But yeah, I mean, I’m just thinking about, how can we kind of speed this process up? And I understand it’s always these concerns. But I think that we concerns that made a case for how we can actually have this digitized so that we can get more work done. Let’s just see what they can find.. They’ quite easy what they. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because yeah, I mean, we still did together and it like the more that they see, like this huge that takes a lot of time, they’ll give us even it’s not audience. I also think, because we are. You don’t have any or any. Since we are talking about getting at least a better understanding of what’s in the collection, before we worrying about 30 years, I mean, we can, if we don’t get funding for massagitization now, that’s not to say it couldn’t happen later down the road. So we could focus on the collection with the thought that we’re working on at, and intern’s working on it. It Parts of it might come downtown with us, and we revisit if we have to, when we can get larger amounts of funding to do. Yeah, to do b digitization.. I know. At least there’s a good chance we might have an. Yeah, so I guess, you know, before before worrying about if it’s going to be a 30 year project, because without bulk theition, I get it, that might be the case. But we can revisit any, if we can do the bulk dig I said, now, we might be able to do it in two years or three, like I mean. this is also a good reason why you wouldn’t send something to a digization project if it were a jumble box of X, Y, and Z that some of which needs to be picked through and gotten out because it’s… And you wouldn’t. So I think that’s a good I think that makes sense for starting the next one. Yeah, we can start by, so we’ be great about that. So you might find a gym in one of those random boxes that you wouldn’t have wanted buried in a bulk digitization project that you didn’t even know existed until they got it back to you. And those are f kind of things that Anne picking absolutely. It’s useful to do.. I’ to tell you.. Oh, yeah, these cheers are so awful to course. They’re